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Oh yes style..

You were expecting some sort of esoteric guide to hypnotically getting your tulpa under control? I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, if you have a corporeal mental illness like depression changing your perspective doesn't change that your brain is suffering, it only changes the ideas surrounding it.

I agree, it is my responsibility I only thought that this group could be an interesting I don't something

Like I don't know what is the problem with thinking I'm living a Holly war but I guess it's a good thing even if we can talk about it? And I can understand that it's all in my head, even if I can distinguish between real and not real it's not ok..

Are are you gpt-3?

Stop with the fucking depression.. god use something else.. I had depression, 5 years ago.. 5 years it's some time ago

LyricThunder

Are are you gpt-3?

More like 2 tbh.

Well I guess you have one thing in this conversation that you can use and attach and that is the depression part and your just going to do that... cause you have no Idea what else to say

1:35 AM

Again it's fine

1:35 AM

I'm not mad or angry.. this was I guess educational

1:36 AM

Esoteric I don't know if you should use that word in this context

Zen

More like 2 tbh.

True

How can a guide be esoteric?...

1:37 AM

Uneducated monkeys...

You have asked what I thought. And to be blunt, we see several people with mental issues come into the server all the time with similar ideas about what a tulpa is. You don't have a tulpa, tulpas are intentionally created.

I have created intentionally

And it is simple to end a tulpa, equally.

Hmmm...

1:38 AM

Equally?

A tulpa can be unmade simply by letting go of its way of thinking. From what you described, you seemed unable to do this.

If I'm being a dick Is because I do psychology thinking that the concept of mental illness has been used and is used as today to harm and create very very much violence on people... I'm sorry if I'm being you know aggressive, it's like don't use that word..it brings allot of pain and suffering against innocent people..

Furthermore, I don't actually know if you have depression, you are the one who said as much. Depression is incurable. But regardless what you describe is not a normal state of mind, and it's an actively negative one. If your description is wrong, by all means retract it.

There are particular answers to existence some are peculiar and harder to understand and can bring allot of pain, but.. it's not a reason to call it a .. not normal or things like that

Diogenes cursed

I have created intentionally

Can you clarify this. How is it that this entity became what it is?

1:45 AM

You have deleted the former message so I don't know if you said something I missed but it seemed like you described it immediately as hostile.

1:46 AM

A tulpa is not hostile by default. You decide what they are from the get go.

1:46 AM

Debatably, you continue to decide what they are, forever. In a similar way as you do for yourself.

1:46 AM

Identities are just stories we tell to ourselves. They are ultimately, illusions.

Diogenes cursed

There are particular answers to existence some are peculiar and harder to understand and can bring allot of pain, but.. it's not a reason to call it a .. not normal or things like that

It is irrelevant whether such a thing is normal. Disorders are defined by their negativity relative to the norm. Not whether they are normal in and of themselves.

1:50 AM

It is both abnormal and negative to be at war with an identity in your own head, to the point where it causes you distress, even to the point of self harm.

1:51 AM

You're in a place of high abnormality in general, here.

It was not hostile in the beginning, it became hostile after I tried to get rid of it. First of all, my friend, without being a dick.. Depressione Is curable, it depends on what line or what branch the doctor your working with follows, it depends on the method chosen by the psychologist or psychiatrist. It's not only facts you know, it's not a hard science like physics.. Identities are illusions says who? When? Who is the influence behind this sentence? Where did you hear it ? Is a book? Is it a direct writing of a certain author? Is it an attempt by a student of the author to make the original more understandable? How much was it sacrifice? What language.. I mean lot's of questions, saying... Identities are just stories... Again seems like an absolute meaning...I don't like absolute sentences.

negative mental health sucks, and doctors and therapists are people who can help with that. forget semantics, we're looking for solutions

High abnormality in general, here.. It's fine, I guess you are not wrong. I just wanted some information about this topic from people who live this kind of things. Mental illness is an options of course but I would like to create different lines of interpretations

1:59 AM

@REDD❗ hon.. it's not about semantics nice try

Identities are illusions says who? When? Who is the influence behind this sentence? Where did you hear it ? Is a book? Is it a direct writing of a certain author? Is it an attempt by a student of the author to make the original more understandable? How much was it sacrifice?

There is no such thing as an identity in the brain, it is essentially a label applied to a state of being. Association/Dissociation in the brain is the physical mechanism behind such besides memory (which is visibly identity-agnostic), originating in the brain's data-handling centre which passes information between areas of the brain. It squelches some information, and associates with others. It does this all the time and in a thousand different ways, it does it when you're not thinking about the temperature of your body for instance. Identity-as-feeling is a variant on the same mechanism. Your brain does it anytime it runs "your" identity or any other, usually silencing or distancing ones it believes are not real. Neurology begins to see how the brain operates, and we can see that consciousness in terms of identity simply doesn't exist, which is perhaps why we are able to generate other identities so simply. They're a core part of empathy - We do it regularly when we think about anyone else. These are mechanisms that have been studied.

2:05 AM

To the counterpoint: Why do you think an identity is something concrete? Do you have some physical evidence to support that point? Because it's something people have tried to prove before and failed. You are right insofar that we cannot concretely say such a mechanism doesn't exist for managing identity in the brain because it is a complex thing that we don't fully understand yet. However you should understand that defaulting to human-centric bias is flawed logic. This thing you accept as "identity" needs to have a basis in real data, just as my claim does. (edited)

Have been studied... indeed... By who? We don't know or care.. it's science god damm it and we don't question it. Now I'm not going to put all this effort into copy and paste because I'm not desperate to be right... Now.. the data...

What I am saying is ultimately not a tall claim: We do not see any area of the brain that handles identity. Identity seems to be an illusion created by the part of the brain that handles perspective and information thusly.

Again... Where did you get the info? Have you made the necessary steps to get this data out? Is this your study? Is this your article? How many subjects was the data based on ? I want to see same result from Europe China and America

2:08 AM

And dude do you have s degree in anything?

So... you would like me not only to cite my source, but all sources on the structure of the brain ever? (edited)

Not all sources ever.. but I mean you want to move in the beautiful world of epistemology

2:10 AM

So take that big dick of precision out and slap it on the table

What exactly are you contradicting?

2:10 AM

Because I could just show you a layout of the known areas of the brain and that would make my point quite clear.

Your not able to actually understand how that data was created...

Yes, I am, it was a series of brain scans related to patients with DID.

2:11 AM

And no, I'm not going to locate it, because you're just being obstinate.

2:11 AM

Do your own research if you wish

The nature of the experimental data.. Mhhh

2:11 AM

I bet there is nothing to say here

2:11 AM

Nope..

2:12 AM

But I mean you are right

https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/consciousness-and-the-brain-the-greatest-mystery-of-being-human/

Could I say anything at this point Zen? After you brought the big daddy of the ultimate knowledge in the rational world ?

2:14 AM

But I mean.. it's funny All this effort just to prove a point but zero to understand what I'm saying. But you can bring a trophy home

I offered a position and supporting data, though without citation. What exactly is your position other than "lol but u could b wrong?"

You didn't do shit

Diogenes cursed

But I mean.. it's funny All this effort just to prove a point but zero to understand what I'm saying. But you can bring a trophy home

It's not up to me to understand what you're saying if you can't say it eloquently.

2:15 AM

Say it.

You just used specific data as a shield

2:15 AM

You have no position

2:15 AM

Besides I can't think and I let others do it for me

2:16 AM

Argument's Zen not data.. feed me data

2:16 AM

Sorry argument's*

2:17 AM

What do you want me to say that the data you got from fucking Google from some websites with no actual scientific authority is looking scary?

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2:20 AM

I opened that website.. commercial for thanks giving and stuff on China

2:20 AM

Amazing..

2:20 AM

So you get your science data from the same place you get articles on Thanksgiving?

So what I'm getting from you is that you're going to question literally every position I make even though it's common knowledge. You've neither offerred a counter-argument nor have you made any attempt to make any sort of point by yourself other than to say "I'm making shit up". You're welcome to actually refute what I say at any time rather than say "lolno". I don't even require data, since I did not provide any myself. You seem strongly up your own ass and are simply looking for any opportunity to discredit me for some unknown reason.

Let’s not get all high and mighty, now.

Yes it is true

yeah, this isn't a productive line of questioning. time to move on

Let Bulici have their opinion, and let Zen have theirs

I am high and mighty, and he's behaving like a troll now.

Arguing in circles will do literally nothing lmao

And what opinion is that?

I…what??

2:22 AM

No, he isn’t???

2:22 AM

Dude, not everyone who disagrees is a troll, my guy

Then what opinion is he arguing for other than trying to rustle me?

2:22 AM

Disagrees with what?

2:23 AM

I have asked that repeatedly.

Look, this isn’t my argument to pick sides in, I’m just going to leave it to you two to settle out, but I really think you’ve made it a bigger deal than required daveshrug

psychological determinism is not a god that can't be questioned, especially when brought to life by individuals with no actual ability in science.

So you're saying that the brain is not a physically determinstic machine?

I'm sorry for the mess

.. I was just trying to understand if this was a good place. It was nice talking

Despite that being exactly what it is?

2:26 AM

Given that's a simple neural network.

My opinion... Yours...

2:26 AM

It's ok

No, not opinion

Ok ok I won't touch your god

It's not opinion that the brain is a neural network.

I love discussion on determinism..

it always goes like this

And unlike broad data, I've actually got experience with those. They're fact. They're machines.

Yes dude.. it's ok... We are machines

So... now you're arguing that the brain is not a collection of neurons that fires in a predictable pattern. Mmm. Okay.